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Lucas B.'s avatar

On your point about the liberalizing effect of development I am generally inclined to agree. However, allowing or assisting the economic development of autocratic regimes does clearly pose a medium term challenge even if development liberalizes them over the long term. Russia and China have benefited from global trade with the liberal world and with these economic resources they are better able to wage war while they are still illiberal regimes. If you do believe there is some value to the independence of Ukraine and Taiwan, even if the west shouldn't be protecting them, the West's economic cooperation with Russia and China has increased the capacity of these regimes to threaten the independence of their neighbours. Further, there is the possibility that there is some sort of partial reform equilibrium where regimes liberalize somewhat to gain economic resources, but not so much that they produce instability. Admittedly I can not foresee whether these regimes will truly be stable in the long term, but it still ought to be considered.

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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

For those of us that just don't want to world to end, nuclear war with Russia or a shooting war with China are basically the only two things that could fuck that up.

So to risk either, even if the probability is exceedingly low, requires a really massive offsetting risk.

I don't have much confidence that people using "appropriateness" to evaluate that tradeoff can make anywhere close to a reasonable decision, based on their track record.

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