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Lucas B.'s avatar

On your point about the liberalizing effect of development I am generally inclined to agree. However, allowing or assisting the economic development of autocratic regimes does clearly pose a medium term challenge even if development liberalizes them over the long term. Russia and China have benefited from global trade with the liberal world and with these economic resources they are better able to wage war while they are still illiberal regimes. If you do believe there is some value to the independence of Ukraine and Taiwan, even if the west shouldn't be protecting them, the West's economic cooperation with Russia and China has increased the capacity of these regimes to threaten the independence of their neighbours. Further, there is the possibility that there is some sort of partial reform equilibrium where regimes liberalize somewhat to gain economic resources, but not so much that they produce instability. Admittedly I can not foresee whether these regimes will truly be stable in the long term, but it still ought to be considered.

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Ebenezer's avatar

Early in your essay, you criticize the "logic of appropriateness" relative to the "logic of consequences". But then later, you invoke international law in a way that seems very much like the "logic of appropriateness". ("International law should be followed, forget the consequences!") Doesn't that seem a little contradictory?

I think what's going on is we have at least three competing moral systems which are often in conflict:

* Humanitarian consequentialist reasoning.

* Humanitarian deontological reasoning ("we can't sit by while innocent people are slaughtered", see e.g. the rationale for toppling Gaddafi).

* International law, which is either deontological or rule-consequentialist depending on how you look at it. Unlike the previous two, international law considers states as moral agents, rather than individual humans. Wars of conquest appear to have become vastly less popular as a result of international law, which seems like a really good thing.

All the moral systems have problems.

* Predicting consequences is very difficult, and *any* action can be justified by saying "we had a team of analysts predict consequences, and this is what they recommended".

* You criticize humanitarian deontological reasoning well in your essay.

* International law is flawed because states are a societal construct. International law doesn't have a good story for failed states, or states which severely oppress their citizens. It doesn't distinguish between good guys and bad guys, which can occasionally be useful!

A valuable property of a moral system is it should be widely held and easy to evaluate if others are following it. We're nowhere close to that in terms of reasoning about foreign policy. The public mind basically consists of a mishmash of sometimes-mutually-contradictory moral thinking.

If you want the US to do something, accuse them of "complicity" or "appeasement". If you *don't* want them to do something, accuse them of "imperialism", "white saviorism", "sovereignty violation", "breaking international law", etc.

If the consequences are good, accuse them of violating norms. If norms were followed, accuse them of having bad consequences.

With no shared idea of what it means to have a benevolent foreign policy, it's no surprise that the USA is turning towards (a) isolationism and (b) national self-interest. Trying to be a good person is not especially appealing if people will criticize you ruthlessly no matter what you do. Sad!

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