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Xavier Faure's avatar

Once again, you're overlooking the fact that Israel is facing Hamas which not only completely disregards civilian casualties but actually craves for them.

I don't think there's a precedent in history. There are countless exemples of conquerors who exterminated their enemies. There are some exemples leaders who got a large part of their population killed by sheer incompetence or because they wanted to quench a rebellion (Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot...) But I can't think of any past tyrant who saw the death of their own people as a major, if not their main path to victory.

Of course they only do this because they are facing Israel. You mention Syria. Nobody would use the Hamas strategy against Assad because he'll happily slaughter any number of civilians and nobody cares about Arabs killing other Arabs.

On a purely logical point of view, you do a good job of proving that Israel doesn't do "everything it can" to prevent civilian casualties (a position I haven't seen anyone hold), then conclude wrongly that they just happily bomb the shit out of Gaza.

My perception is that Israel obviously shifted the cursor of the (military value) / (civilian risk) ratio after 10/7 but I don't think it's clear they're morally or legally wrong (of course, Hamas completely ignores such bourgeois topics, and nobody holds it against them). Interestingly you chose to illustrate your post with Sakakini's story but the parallel you're trying to build doesn't hold. Sakakini praised the deliberate targeting of civilians with no remote military interest (akin to 10/7 without the barbary); I don't see Israeli supports praising the slaughter of Palestinian civilians even though the military interest is plausible. If there were a clear cut instance of Israelis deliberately killing civilians absent any military interest, I think the vast majority of Israel supports would condemn it. I certainly would.

Before I finish, I too oppose the killing of civilians. I believe the moral responsibility for the Palestinian deaths squarely rests on Hamas for starting this whole mess with the barbaric attack of 10/7 and keeping it going by refusing to release the hostages. My great-grandfather was killed by an allied bombing in August '44. My family didn't blame his death on the British, it was obviously the fault of the Germans.

I grieve for the Palestinians as I don't think they could have a worse leadership than Hamas (maybe Kim Jong-Un). I sincerely believe that their best hope for peace and prosperity is to get rid of Hamas, renounce violence and trade with Israel.

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Ruxandra Teslo's avatar

You are NOT cringe for having principles and opposing the slaughter of civilians. Repeat after me “I am not cringe”

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