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A good article. I agree that Zionism was always fundamentally a crazy project because it came too late, and that it had already failed by the 1920s when it became clear that Arab population growth would outstrip any conceivable rate of Jewish immigration. The Holocaust seemed to retroactively vindicate Zionism, when it all it really proved was that Zionism was a waste of resources that would have been better put to use getting Jews out of Europe and into ... well pretty much anywhere. The actions the Zionist leadership took to squeeze success out of this failure are tactically impressive, but only set up intractable problems that we are still dealing with. All granted.

But you are still completely wrong to think Israel should negotiate for a 2 state solution with Palestinian nationalist groups. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that the most optimistic (for Palestinians) scenario happens: all settlements are removed, full withdrawal to 1967 borders including East Jerusalem. It is still the case that the most likely outcome (80% probability) is that a Palestinian irredentist group will take over. This doesn't have to happen within a year, like in Gaza, but it will almost certainly happen within a decade for the simple reason that Palestine will be a s**hole. It will be a s**hole because Palestinians are dumb, their smart fraction left already and is busy running El Salvador, and their culture stinks. So Palestinians will have the option of accepting that their 75 year struggle was actually all in the service of living in a s**hole, or they will decide that it's all the Zionists' fault they are poor and squalid, and they need to get their Wakanda olive groves back. Every single Palestinian political faction is either an irredentist paramilitary that subsequently moderated (or pretends to) or is still irredentist. Obviously, voting in an irredentist leadership will be an ever-present option, and all it takes is an economic downturn, or some real or imagined provocation and - boom - they are in power and it's war. Currently, Hamas is enjoying a massive popularity spike because Palestinians are depraved retards who don't even understand basic self interest, so a policy of self destructive war with Israel will become even more popular the more disaster it brings on them.

Your argument is that going on as we are is a doomed policy, so we might as well try, but it's a bit like telling a man barely staying afloat at the black jack table that he would be better off playing Russian roullette, except that in this case the revolver has five bullets. I appreciate that you put great effort into trying to sound moderate (couldn't resist the dig at Benny Morris though), but, speaking as someone in the 99th percentile of Israelis minded to listen to your opinions, I'll decline to commit suicide.

P.S. An important reason why the Arab population of Israel is largely quiescent is because of various privileges they get. If you see a BMW in Jerusalem, you can safely bet 1,000 dollars it's an Arab driving it. Why? Because VAT on cars in Israel is 100%, but Arabs don't have to pay VAT, or any other tax if they don't want to, and don't have to obey planning law, or any other law they don't like, are allowed to run protection rackets on Jewish farmers without worrying the police might intervene, and have an army of NGOs at their beck and call should, say, a landlord evict them for the trivial reason of not having paid any rent in 20 years. This actually started to blow up in their faces a little in the last couple of years, because the Arab mafias that operate with total impunity started to have major shootouts all over the place. Of course, if you are a fanatical race denier, you will say that Arabs still have a lower average income so Israel must be discriminating against them in some way. And all edgy Dissident Rightists magically turn into fanatical race deniers when Israel is the topic of conversation.

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Kangaskhan's avatar

The Qibya massacre was in the West Bank not Gaza. The Khan Younis massacre, 3 years later, was in Gaza

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