I think the potential for assimilation also explains the attitude of Spaniards towards immigrants. Spain doesn't seem to have much of an "immigrant problem" and most of the Spanish population has a favorable view of immigration, and this might have to do with the composition of the immigrant population in Spain. Close to 40% are Other Europeans (EU and not-EU), close to 30% are Latin Americans and around 9% are Asians.
Other Europeans assimilate just fine, and Latin Americans already speak the language, don't have any religious impediments to intermarriage and assimilation and bring a culture that's not identical but pretty similar. And most Asians come from some of the usual model-minority countries: China, India, Philippines.
So even though immigrants constitute as much as 15% of Spanish population, close to 80% of them belong to the easy to assimilate category.
Interesting, but you seem to dismiss the large gap in the jobless rate between France and the USA. It has always been much easier to get a job in the USA/Canada compared to most of Europe.
good article. I see in the second footnote you explain that integration is an elusive concept and there is some disagreement on how to measure it. In your article you talk about intermarriage rates, income, schooling rates, and crime rates. What other metrics would you look at to asses whether people are integrated?
"To be clear, I’m not saying they are being dishonest, I think they genuinely believe the argument to be sound because they’re conceptually confused about causation."
Pour certains militants de base, vous avez surement raison. Mais j'ai du mal à croire que les intellectuels, politiciens, journalistes, etc qui avancent cet argument fallacieux ne soient pas malhonnêtes et ne se rendent pas compte de l'entourloupe.
The biggest evidence that in fact the US isn't any better at integrating immigrants (ethnic groups) all else equal than Europe is their inability to control Black crime rates 60+ years after the Civil Rights Act was passed. If the US was so good at integrating various ethnic groups, than why the Black crime rate is multiple times that of Whites and Asians?
While on the other hand, when it comes to certain kind of immigrants, like for example, people from the Balkans (except the Albanians in some countries like the UK), many of whom are not university educated, both societies seem to integrate them well, and it is easy to integrate them be it in North America, Europe or Australia.
It is just that, it's very hard to integrate people who have vastly different culture and behavior, and there's not much a state can do in that case to improve the situation.
Do the Algerian immigrants in France you talk about have any relationship with the pieds-noirs? Are you talking about a different group who came afterwards?
Interesting overview, especially on this topic as it's difficult to isolate the relevant variables. I was surprised to come across a French study that dealt with ethnic data, does this fall under an exception?
The Mirage of America's Special Sauce Theory
I think the potential for assimilation also explains the attitude of Spaniards towards immigrants. Spain doesn't seem to have much of an "immigrant problem" and most of the Spanish population has a favorable view of immigration, and this might have to do with the composition of the immigrant population in Spain. Close to 40% are Other Europeans (EU and not-EU), close to 30% are Latin Americans and around 9% are Asians.
Other Europeans assimilate just fine, and Latin Americans already speak the language, don't have any religious impediments to intermarriage and assimilation and bring a culture that's not identical but pretty similar. And most Asians come from some of the usual model-minority countries: China, India, Philippines.
So even though immigrants constitute as much as 15% of Spanish population, close to 80% of them belong to the easy to assimilate category.
Interesting, but you seem to dismiss the large gap in the jobless rate between France and the USA. It has always been much easier to get a job in the USA/Canada compared to most of Europe.
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good article. I see in the second footnote you explain that integration is an elusive concept and there is some disagreement on how to measure it. In your article you talk about intermarriage rates, income, schooling rates, and crime rates. What other metrics would you look at to asses whether people are integrated?
"To be clear, I’m not saying they are being dishonest, I think they genuinely believe the argument to be sound because they’re conceptually confused about causation."
Pour certains militants de base, vous avez surement raison. Mais j'ai du mal à croire que les intellectuels, politiciens, journalistes, etc qui avancent cet argument fallacieux ne soient pas malhonnêtes et ne se rendent pas compte de l'entourloupe.
The biggest evidence that in fact the US isn't any better at integrating immigrants (ethnic groups) all else equal than Europe is their inability to control Black crime rates 60+ years after the Civil Rights Act was passed. If the US was so good at integrating various ethnic groups, than why the Black crime rate is multiple times that of Whites and Asians?
While on the other hand, when it comes to certain kind of immigrants, like for example, people from the Balkans (except the Albanians in some countries like the UK), many of whom are not university educated, both societies seem to integrate them well, and it is easy to integrate them be it in North America, Europe or Australia.
It is just that, it's very hard to integrate people who have vastly different culture and behavior, and there's not much a state can do in that case to improve the situation.
Very good read!
Do the Algerian immigrants in France you talk about have any relationship with the pieds-noirs? Are you talking about a different group who came afterwards?
Interesting overview, especially on this topic as it's difficult to isolate the relevant variables. I was surprised to come across a French study that dealt with ethnic data, does this fall under an exception?